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Continuing The IM Theme

Peter Saint-Andre, the patron saint of Jabber, writes about how there is something rotten in the Jabber community. What’s interesting to me is that some of the things he talks about were all things that crossed my mind as I’ve been reading about Jabber recently. My Gibber Redux post originally had a lot of info about what features I liked about the various IM systems (as well as what I would like and what I didn’t like), especially given that IM is playing an increasing role in my day-to-day life.

Peter pretty much sums up all my thinking with this sentence:

As anyone who talks with Jabber users knows, there are hundreds of Jabber clients but almost all of them are close to useless.

I think that Jabber is a great collection of technology, but which is held back by the clunkiness of the existing clients (especially compared to the pretty immediate experience provided by Yahoo!, MSN, et al) which I’d say is responsible for holding back the building of a network. Indeed, the power of Jabber’s decentralized user model is also one of its key drawbacks: hence my thinking on what might happen if Google did adopt Jabber for an IM service. Suddenly, there would be a massive network of users.

Peter advocates building one brand-new client and one brand-new server, probably in Python, which would act as the de-facto tools for anyone looking to use Jabber services. As he says, “wouldn’t it be cool if you could actually make use of protocols like pubsub, XHTML, and file transfer?

Yes. Yes that would be cool.

Peter ends by saying “let the flames begin”.

I say bring it on – Jabber has been great at producing the specs, but here’s a question: what happens to specifications that nobody can use?

Comments

Jim Hughes wrote at 08:20 AM on 13 Aug 2004

Dave, have you tried Exodus or Psi?

They’re probably the top dogs in Jabber clients, personally I find Psi makes MSN et al look and feel clunky.

Bob Wyman wrote at 05:09 PM on 15 Aug 2004

You wrote: "what might happen if Google did adopt Jabber for an IM service"...

Google already has an IM service and as far as I know, it isn’t Jabber based. Look at Hello.com1 and you’ll see what at first glance is a photo sharing service that accompanies Picasa2, but upon inspection turns out to be a general instant messaging platform. (e.g. "See what your friend is viewing while you chat and browse through pictures together")

Given that Google already has an IM platform, why would they change to Jabber?

bob wyman

[1] <a href="http://hello.com/what_is_hello.php" rel="nofollow">http://hello.com/what_is_hello.php</a>
[2] <a href="http://www.picasa.com/picasa/" rel="nofollow">http://www.picasa.com/picasa/</a>

Jeff Harrell wrote at 11:43 AM on 16 Aug 2004

If I remember correctly, Apple’s iChat has used Jabber as the protocol for serverless messaging over the LAN since it was first released, and will also ship a Jabber server with the next release of their server OS, Tiger, due out next year.

Sander wrote at 05:07 PM on 17 Aug 2004

Coccinella also has some intresting features. In the next release there will be a slide show plugin and a card game to name a few…

Sander wrote at 05:07 PM on 17 Aug 2004

Coccinella also has some intresting features. In the next release there will be a slide show plugin and a card game to name a few…

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